Loving Differently Podcast
Episode Guide
We started this podcast to offer another way for people to learn about IRT and SASB, in a more informal manner. Here is an episode by episode guide, where you can read more about each episode in depth and search by keyword.
Please note: Transcripts and summaries are AI generated.
Episode 004 - Introduction to SASB, part 2 - Touring the SASB model
Building on the previous episode, Ken and Eliza dive deeper into how SASB is applied in therapy. They explore the “copy process,” complementarity, and the use of alternative responses to help shift rigid, repetitive patterns toward flexibility and health. Through examples and reflection, they show how SASB helps reveal the logic of clients’ loyalties and self-treatment, bringing IRT’s core theme—learning to love differently—into concrete, behavioral focus.
Episode 003 - Introduction to the Structural Analysis of Social Behavior (SASB), part 1
In this episode, Dr. Ken Critchfield and Dr. Eliza Stucker-Rozovsky introduce the Structural Analysis of Social Behavior (SASB), the core model that maps how people relate to others and to themselves. They explain SASB’s three dimensions—Focus, Affiliation, and Interdependence—and show how it provides a clear framework for understanding complex interpersonal patterns. This foundational discussion sets the stage for how SASB connects to Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy (IRT) and the “red” and “green” ways of loving differently.
Episode 002 - What is Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy (IRT), anyway?
In this episode of Loving Differently, Dr. Ken Critchfield and Dr. Eliza Stucker-Rozovsky introduce the core ideas of Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy (IRT). They explore how maladaptive patterns arise from early attachments, explain the “red” and “green” selves as guides for understanding behavior, and discuss the “gift of love”—how even painful patterns are rooted in loyalty and love. The episode lays the foundation for learning how to “love differently” through awareness, compassion, and healthy change.
Episode 001 - Introduction to the Loving Differently Podcast
In this premiere episode of Loving Differently, clinical psychologists Dr. Ken Critchfield and Dr. Eliza Stucker-Rozovsky introduce listeners to the spirit of Interpersonal Reconstructive Therapy (IRT)—a way of understanding how our earliest relationships shape the patterns of love we repeat throughout life. Through stories of mentorship under IRT founder Lorna Smith Benjamin and their own paths into the field, Ken and Eliza explore what it means to “love differently”: to move beyond blame, understand the meaning behind behavior, and transform even painful attachment patterns into growth and connection.